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  1. Breslau

    She asked who betray him/manipulating with him? Or did she mean…ehem…other meaning of …well…using?

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Well I guess that depends how you see the situation, could be a little of both.

      • Breslau

        Good. Yesterday I was a bit drunk while read that part and thought, that Miss Shaan has something really weird in mind ^^””’

        Good that I has mistaken ^^

  2. Eirianedryd

    I KNEW IT. I’ve been talking about this like the whole damn chapter. Kohta’s been feeling like he has because of what the Dark Elf sloot did to him!

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Hehe, I’ve been trying so hard not to comment and spoil the surprise :D

  3. Charlemagne

    What a Twist!

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      M. Night Shyamalan would be proud :D

      Well he might prefer it if Mistress Shan then took off her face mask to reveal she’s actually Mr Herman the old disused fairground owner, either that or a wookie :S

      • Scfasd

        *insert amusing wookie noise here*

        • GroUser2907
          GroUser2907

          That clinches it, she must be a Wookie!

  4. …I honestly did not see that coming.

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Good surprise then? or a bad surprise?

  5. Resari

    oh… oh… right… he was technically ‘purchased’ as a toy for Khali…

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Well at the time he didn’t see it like that, but she certainly did :S

      • Emek

        At least she didnt lie to him about love and so on ;D

        • GroUser2907
          GroUser2907

          That’s actually true, I can’t imagine her being anything other than completely brutally honest with him, still she might’ve just left out the bit about leaving him to die at the first opportunity it suited her.

          • Zaid

            You realize for a lot of us that begs the question what happened? me, I don’t remember if you have a rule about ‘no flashbacks’, but I imagine:

            it’s a tavern of some sorts with a very green-looking Kohta trying to convince anyone he’s worthy, or possibly looking around asking people if they know anyone who’s got work for an honorable samurai

            someone pointed him out to Khali who looked him over, thought twice, and kept looking.

            Over to a corner where some Amazon is drinking with a small gang of friends, gets the amazon’s price

            Shethen decided to go over to Kohta and says “I’ve a need for a strong sword arm”, to which he replies “I’m ready for any great and noble goal – oh, and I need fifty silver a day for expenses”

          • GroUser2907
            GroUser2907

            Hehe, well yeh it went a little something like that to be honest.

            I’ve got nothing against flashbacks, but they tend to only crop up when they’re important, and we already all know how Khali treated Kohta whilst he was in her employ.

            Still it might make for an interesting little side comic I could upload to the site, that one and another one about when Kohta met the sword.

  6. Aimboy

    Well here they come

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Yup, ready or not.

  7. Mr Bunny

    FUCK, It never occurred to me that was what is eating him.
    Your story telling is getting alot better, bravo my friend, bravo.

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Hehe, thanks dude!

      I had to rewrite this page a couple times to get the dialogue to work right but I’m really chuffed how it came out, especially with the lit match/barrel of gun powder right after her last question, it’s all very symbolic and all that :D

  8. Shun

    Oh snap, there’s a new and EXPLOSIVE plot-twist!

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Hehe, tune in next week… :P

  9. Scfasd

    XD The fact that THAT is what had him so annoyed at her is really funny.

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Well I’m just glad he did have a reason, kinda explains why he was being stubborn about it earlier.

  10. Zaid

    THANK YOU! Ugh. Seriously amazed at everybody forgetting all the ‘rent-boy’ comments. Even if it was… a year ago? Wow. I really marathon re-read this comic a lot.

    -I guess that makes my viewpoint biased.

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Wow yeh, this comic has been running for quite a while now :S

      Still good to be vindicated then?

    • Eirianedryd

      I’ve been commenting about the fact that what’s been happening to him since the start of the comic could be what was making him feel this way since this whole thing with the tea house started! <3

      • Zaid

        That made me go back to the beginning of the chapter and start reading in earnest again, including the comments. Ironically making me re-read DD’s thread about depicting rape and it hit me: is that what Kohta’s going through? Bear with me, I know it’s not the violent kind, I mean the other kind, the ‘relationship abuse’ and ‘leading on’ variety.

        Since the beginning sword’s been calling him a ‘rent-boy’ and it’s not clear if it’s a personal negative connotation or a general one (‘you’re too smart and hard-working to be a common tent-boy’ vs ‘yo daddy’s a rent-boy’ for example). Kohta figured his physical relationship with Khali was intimate, and she disabused him of that idea really fast – so no romance blooming there. Still, they stayed together as co-adventurers and fuck-buddies and he figured that was fine. By the end of the temple nonsense though he’s hit a low: Khali treats him like a utility she bought, paid for and can discard at will and he didn’t sign on for a noble quest – she used him like a regular amoral mercenary and he let himself trust her into that. His fault, not his fault, irrelevant. Adrenaline got him through another near-death experience, where it’s three nymphs using him as a sex and intended food source, but once he’s clear and once he’s had time to think he’s wondering why he bothered: in his naivety all he’s managed to do was get an innocent (as far as he can tell) scholar’s blood on his hands for a woman who manipulated him physically and sexually. A woman who he hasn’t quite let go of because, despite thinking she’s absolutely evil, he still thinks he built a rapport and understands her…

        so small wonder he was so out of it that he stumbled naked into a town without thinking to get drunk

        And depending on your point of view it could either be all on Khali or all on Kohta. Sure Kohta’s not an innocent girl who slept with you because you promised you’d marry her and you were both just having fun before the ceremony – before you skipped town. On the other hand, if you hire a paladin for a mission to a foreign land to rid the nation of a great evil, and after a month-long crusade the paladin discovers through an interpreter he trusts that he’s been laying waste to an order of pious monks and their defenders – isn’t that a great evil on the part of the hirer?

        Whew. Double-plus 1 to Mr Bunny’s comment Obhan, er, Gro? This IS a great story you’re crafting and its no surprise this is like the 10th time I’ve re-read it.

        • GroUser2907
          GroUser2907

          First of all thanks man, I try to make the webcomic’s story interesting, and I’m glad you’ve re-read it so many times :D

          Thinking about it though, the situation that Kohta went through was more closer to abuse than rape. Rape is forcing a sexual act with someone without consent which did not happen here. It was all consensual, but he was incorrectly informed as to the nature of their relationship, and with him being younger and naive, and with her being in a position of authority over him, abuse seems to be closer to this situation. Also this situation is clouded again because he’s not sure if he regrets the whole thing or not.

          Also to answer several other points you brought up.

          Kohta’s encounter with the Nymph’s isn’t likely to be along the same lines, but is much more open to interpretation. For instance Kohta wasn’t at all against having sex with the Nymphs, and likely looks back on the incident quite fondly, (it is the kind of situation that would fit into one of his fairy tales, a lone Samurai gets captured by beautiful creatures, they make love and are going to kill him but one has fallen in love with him and helps him escape, that is a classic fairy tale there). However when he realised they were planning to eat him, he was definitely against it and wished to leave, which is when they ensorcelled him and had sex with him anyway, which makes things more questionable.

          Also do not worry about the Human Scholar guy, whilst he may not have done any overtly evil actions in the comic he was there for nefarious purposes and his intentions were much more evil than Khali’s, so he certainly wasn’t an innocent.

          Also one last thing, you mentioned rereading the archive and the bit about Kohta walking naked into that village/town to get drunk. When you mentioned that it reminded me of the whole arc and when I look at it all together it does make that scene much darker in retrospect. After all Kohta didn’t just walk into that town to get drunk, he went in to commit suicide, and couple that with the fact that we now know that he at least feels abused in his relationship with Khali it makes it all the much more darker.

          Man this is starting to get depressing, I should set the next chapter in a fairground or a damn petting or zoo or something, where there’s only sweet cuddly critters and candy floss to contend with :S

          • Krak-Hak

            Depresing? Well…for sure it has depressing consequences. But treachery it is treachery. It is always completly evil thing, which born only evil and disgusting consequences

          • GroUser2907
            GroUser2907

            True, it was just wallowing in it all for a bit that was mellowing my mood :S

          • Krak-Hak

            Well…natural consequences. Maybe people want traitor to be punished for her deeds

          • GroUser2907
            GroUser2907

            Well by our standards, after all Khali is a Dark Elf, and betrayal is a lot less meaningful to them than it is to us.

          • Krak-Hak

            Well…what she feel about that mean less. She betrayed person who trust her. So betrayed one not she, should judge is she need to paid or not

          • GroUser2907
            GroUser2907

            Well you’ve got a point, plus she’d have likely known what it meant to Kohta, and yet she didn’t care, different perspective I guess.

          • Krak-Hak

            She will surely care, if retribution will came to her. Guilt may not what she care for, but danger – surely. And danger she should meet

  11. Breslau

    So Khali’s treachery…I mean elastic loyalty…leave some scars in Kohta’s personality?
    Good idea ^^ I would like if it would make him more vengefull and merciless towards traitors, but we can’t have everything XD

    And MrBunny have right – this comic become better and better ^^

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Oh yeh, the guy was definitely hurt by her betrayal, but he’s not sure how to deal with that, so it leaves him scarred. Course he probably now wouldn’t be too keen towards traitors like you point out, problem is that they’re not a common occurance, it’s not like he’s tripping over them every time he opens his front door :S

      But anyway thanks man!

      • Breslau

        In my opinion, he should hide his emotions till the time when Khali will be most vunerable (that’s why I said that Kohta shouldn’t be extravertic). Then he should strike, so traitor will paid in most painfull way, for what she did.
        So it will not be evil act. It may be brutal, but it will be justified.

        Don’t get me wrong. I love dark elf characters. But I really hate traitorous characters

        And you are welcome ^^

        • GroUser2907
          GroUser2907

          Wait you love Dark Elf Characters but hate traitorous characters? man that’s gotta be tough, they usually go together like dwarves and booze.

          • Breslau

            It depend of game system

            For example in forgotten realms Lloth drows are traitorous, but that one who worship for example Eelistraee, are despising treachery

            In Greyhawk, this same – mostly Lloth drows are traitorus

            In Ebberon, dark elves even if evils have strong loyalties

            It is not that drows are automatically traitors

          • GroUser2907
            GroUser2907

            Oh no certainly not, and you don’t want to typecast them, but betraying people and things tends to happen a lot in Dark Elf and Drow settings.

          • Breslau

            Most dark elf treachery which I saw was commit by dark elf which worshipped Lloth or other similar dominating deity. I mostly prefers renegades (even if evil, they rarely betrayed their allies/friends/whoever, because that ones help them to opposing their enemies)

          • GroUser2907
            GroUser2907

            If they do overdo the treachery thing it can make it hard to imagine how their society must function, if each are eternally seeking ways to betray one another.

          • Breslau

            Yup. Like for example what Lloth wanting from her worshippers – constantly commit evil acts just “for evul” (I really hate Lloth, she constantly create troubles for her worshippers)

  12. Emek

    There is “Kotha” instead of “Kohta” in the last panel.

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Dammit, I must’ve rewrote this page like half a dozen times, I can’t believe I didn’t catch that.

      Thanks dude, should be fixed now :D

  13. well if he “had” a complex before, I think its about to go up in smoke :P. Ether that or that is the weirdest way to wake up a barrel of Monkeys. ( yep I’m sticking to that joke )

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      A little gun powder would liven them up :D

      • Breslau

        It’s attack of Ninja-Demoman XD

        • GroUser2907
          GroUser2907

          Hehe, now that’d be funny.

          • Breslau

            So Kohta as Heavy will counter-attack, “like a boss” XD

          • GroUser2907
            GroUser2907

            Hehe, I always saw him as more of a Soldier actually.

          • Breslau

            Yeah, beside I can’t imagine him with minigun

  14. Aemi

    Tssssssssssssssst….. BOOM! I sense some explosive fun soon! *maniacal laughter*

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Hehe, something’s surely about to explode, either the door or Kohta :D

      • Aemi

        Either way.. *rubs hands together with a smirk*

  15. Noface

    Kohta: “She had Hugh Boobs -which may have my affected my judgement- but still she had no right to use me in that way.”

    Sword: “You weren’t complaining when found out using you also meant you got to have sex.”

    Kohta: “Why do I keep you around.”

    Sword: “Cause sometimes you have to stab things that don’t have breasts, and using you dick would just make things weird.”

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Hehe, I might have to use that bit in the comic sometime :P

  16. smexybeast

    Well I was right about blowing down the doors :p just wasn’t creepers

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      It could be creepers disguised as Red Guard gangsters, they are a crafty foe.

  17. Sally Seduction

    Ahh. It all makes sense now. Poor guy.

    • GroUser2907
      GroUser2907

      Yeh, he hasn’t had the best of times recently. But I’m sure good times are just around the corner :D

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